downloaded and tried spyware terminator free.
it found 1 email worm hidden in a desktop ini file.
1 pc remote controller hidden some place?
9 minor spyware's like cookies and printer controllers.
why it found all those and the other programs i have installed or have tried did not find them i don't know.
unless it was because their database was newer then the programs i have on the system or have tried.
but still the issue with explorer still shows up.