Author Topic: Windows 7 Ult 64 bit trapped by BSD and can not get out. (Read 196094 times)

FreeCat · « **Reply #300 on:** April 19, 2018, 06:39:53 am »

i GUESS IT IS ONLY THE TERRIBLE FEELING OF NOT BEING IN CONTROL AND NOT KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING LAST WEEK WHEN i WAS STRUGGLING JUST TO GET IT TO BOOT SO i COULD USE IT. i MEAN i ONLY MONKEY-FOLLOWED WHAT STACHAN WAS DOING BY GOING BACK TO RESTORE POINTS, THEN RUNNING IOBIT SOFTWARE AND TRYING UPDATES AGAIN UNTIL ALL THE UPDATES WORKED.

Sorry caps, but in a hurry now.

I have rebooted several times now and no problem, except Windows Explorer sometimes takes a long time to bring up programs, but does not happen often. I can live with that.

What else should I do to test if system is good enough to install W10? Thanks in advance. And, thank you, again, so very much for all your help on this issue.

Boggin · « **Reply #301 on:** April 19, 2018, 08:47:20 am »

What IObit software have you been running ?

The easiest way to test if the system is good enough is to upgrade.

When you upgrade, Windows creates a Windows.old folder which is everything you had previously installed and is what you can use to revert to Win 7 but I would create a system image to rely on.

When the freebie was properly on offer (2015 - 2016), you had 30 days in which to roll back and then Windows would remove the Windows.old folder.

In the advanced boot options you will see that option to revert to previous build.

FreeCat · « **Reply #302 on:** April 19, 2018, 10:36:45 am »

Howdy,

I used the free edition of this: http://purchase.iobit.com/en/imf/newinstall.php?name=imf&ver=5.6.0.4462&lan=&to=newgift&ref=ffnewgift&type=free

OK, so I do not understand what it did, but things got fixed it seems.

Yes, I will make a Reflect backup of the good 7 as it stands before going to the 10; in fact I made one already as soon as 7 seemed fix; but, I will get rid of more stuff not needed and then just before upgrading to 10, I will make another.

Boggin · « **Reply #303 on:** April 19, 2018, 01:22:06 pm »

So what is the free gift ?

FreeCat · « **Reply #304 on:** April 20, 2018, 06:24:09 am »

I do not know. I just used the free version. Does three things according to the chart at the bottom of the page.

Boggin · « **Reply #305 on:** April 20, 2018, 07:38:59 am »

As it gets rid of adverts, did you find any problems when browsing as some sites won't allow you in without a warning if you're using an ad blocker.

FreeCat · « **Reply #306 on:** April 26, 2018, 08:21:21 am »

ok, i HAVE NO IMPORTANT WINDOWS UPDATES (JUST ABOUT 8 OPTIONAL ONES) AND (sorry caps) just 7 optional ones. So, I am going to transfer my Win 7 to SSD.

So, you have very much helped me go from broken BSOD (due to Win 7 updates) to healthy (I think) system that is up to date.

Boggin, do you think I need any of these optional ones. I mean how do I know if it will interfere with converting to Windows 10. Is there anything in update history that I should make sure I have before going to Win 10. I read that the conversion can be "hairy".

I made a Reflect image of system as it is and will use that to restore to SSD.

Boggin, once W7 image is put on SSD will there be a boot option at startup to boot from SSD or existing drive?

Once I am on SSD, I intend to convert to W10.

THANKS, AGAIN VERY MUCH, BOGGIN.

Boggin · « **Reply #307 on:** April 26, 2018, 08:41:12 am »

I've never had a dual boot but I think you get the option for which OS to boot.

One thing to ensure before you upgrade is to ensure all of your drivers are up to date.

You can hide the Preview but most of those have caused problems for some.

KB3161102 is to remove Windows Journal but that wasn't without causing a problem for someone, so I'd hide that one as well.

KB3170735 is interesting because it was one of those that could have helped put Win 10 onto unsuspecting Win 7 users.

I'm not sure if that one would be beneficial or not, but you can hide the rest.

FreeCat · « **Reply #308 on:** April 26, 2018, 10:52:30 am »

OK Boggin, I will hide them all based on what you said.
Or really: I guess I should just install the W10 over the W7 and it they shouw up again in W10 hide them.

But, how do I know if all the drivers are up to date?

Boggin · « **Reply #309 on:** April 26, 2018, 01:18:00 pm »

If Windows thinks your drivers are all up to date then that should be okay.

Go into Device Manager/View/Show hidden devices then expand each section and right click on the adapter and select Update Driver Software and use the default search online.

For the most part you will get that you already have the latest driver installed, but there may be the odd that has an update.

FreeCat · « **Reply #310 on:** April 26, 2018, 10:48:29 pm »

Hi boggin. I found this from a friend. Says it is asier. https://www.iobit.com/en/driver-booster.php
What do you think?

Boggin · « **Reply #311 on:** April 27, 2018, 12:40:44 am »

No - I once tried that program and it gave me a wrong network driver.

Also, if you use Nvidia graphics then it could download the wrong driver because they can sometimes be OEM modified and if it gave you one from Nvidia then that could result in a BSOD.

I've also tried Slimdrivers which is another driver updater program and it would usually say the same drivers were out of date.

I no longer advocate driver updater programs.

FreeCat · « **Reply #312 on:** April 27, 2018, 08:02:45 am »

Thanks Boggin. Unfortunately, I did not see this until now. I awoke earlier and tried it. Still cranking. Hope you are in correct. hehe :|

Boggin · « **Reply #313 on:** April 27, 2018, 08:19:48 am »

So how many drivers is it telling you that need updating or is it in the process of updating ?

However, you should have your restore points to fall back on if needed.

FreeCat · « **Reply #314 on:** April 27, 2018, 08:25:45 am »

Yes, I have restore points and made a Reflect image yesterday.
It looks like it updated the video drivers and now it is paused wanting money, I guess, to do more.
Here is screen. lol

Boggin · « **Reply #315 on:** April 27, 2018, 08:40:36 am »

It didn't used to be like that as the freebie did the job as well - I'd get rid of it.

Java and Adobe Air aren't critical but if you have Java installed then it's best to keep it up to date, but most disable Java in browsers.

You can do that by going Start - type java and select Configure Java then under the Security tab uncheck the top box and follow the prompts.

However, that box needs to be checked while you update it.

Check the drivers the way I've advised.

FreeCat · « **Reply #316 on:** April 28, 2018, 07:23:36 am »

OK, thanks, Boggin.

Drivers are up to date and still no important W7 updates --- only the 7 optional one and I am not doing anything with them unless you tell me specifically.

I am not attempting to put my w7 hdd image onto my Samsung ssd.

First I tried to just connect my ssd but on the boot "no mbr" found. So, my conclusion is that machine is looking to boot from ssd and ssd is empty.

So then i install virgin w7 onto dds booting from distribution disc. That went OK. I expected the startup boot would give me the option of booting from my hdd w7, but no: Machine only booted from ssd --- virgin w7 installation.

Then, I booted from the Reflect rescue disk and was going to restore my reflect image from a few days ago to the ssd. But, just as I was about to begin that I realized that there were some program and data updated I did earlier that were not on that Reflect image.

Then, I disconnected the data line of the ssd (I left the power wires connected) and rebooted normal from my hdd w7. I figured once w7 was up, I could connect the data line from the ssd and get access to write a reflect image of the current - good - hdd w7 onto the ssd.

But, ssd is not visible in explorer. Is there w ay to make the SSD visible so I can do this?

The Samsung ssd is visible in the Device Manager and Disk Management as ATA Samsung SSD 860. Please see next post.

FreeCat · « **Reply #317 on:** April 28, 2018, 07:33:11 am »

Here is an image of status after connecting the ssd after booting from the normal w7:

FreeCat · « **Reply #318 on:** April 28, 2018, 07:36:18 am »

OK, false alarm. I assigned a disk letter and now it is visible. sorry to have bothered you Boggin.

I just update Reflect to v7.1.3169 and have started the Clone operation of w7 hdd to ssd.

After a few minutes I got a message from the Disk Management section of Computer Management saying "action failed to complete". I noticed that the assigned letter of Drive K was now gone from the disk management window, BUT the reflect was still operating --- progress bar moving.. Drive K is also missing from the explorer view of all disk drives.

Overall Progress 1% and Current Progress 1% of Reflect. So, I guess that Refect works at the raw device level and does not care about K anymore. Hope I am right and not wasting our time here. I will report when it be done.

Boggin · « **Reply #319 on:** April 28, 2018, 08:38:47 am »

It should put it onto the SSD however you had it set up on the HDD as it is an image of the HDD.

Is the SSD the same size as the HDD ?

When I replaced a 640GB HDD with a 1TB HDD and put the image from the 640GB onto the 1TB I ended up with about 335GB Unallocated space but because Win 10 puts a 450MB Recovery partition immediately to the right of C: I was unable to extend that to C:

I had to factory reset back to Win 7, restore with the image I'd created before I upgraded to 10 and then do it - sat through Windows Updates and then had to bring various programs back up to date and add my personal stuff back.

I then put Win 10 back on.

FreeCat · « **Reply #320 on:** April 28, 2018, 09:19:25 am »

UGG. Sound bad. OK, my Win7 C is a 2 TB drive (1.21 free of 1.81 TB). The SSD is (now) blank 2 TB - I have a picture here. Will I have the same problem?

Boggin · « **Reply #321 on:** April 28, 2018, 09:28:28 am »

Not when you are going from 2TB to 2TB but while you are in Win 7 there wouldn't have been any problems extending that to C: if you were going from smaller to larger as I did.

FreeCat · « **Reply #322 on:** April 28, 2018, 01:04:25 pm »

OK, Boggin. Just talking about w7 here.

The reflect completed, but theres does not seem to be any change in performance. See attached.

What could be wrong.

FreeCat · « **Reply #323 on:** April 28, 2018, 01:05:34 pm »

more 1

Boggin · « **Reply #324 on:** April 28, 2018, 01:13:11 pm »

I don't know what's gone wrong there or what those Network Locations are for.

Did you create a normal Macrium system image rather than a clone you can restore with ?

If you haven't then perhaps you should put the old HDD back in and create one - that should give you what you had before.