erunt gui

[peterr]

Hello
I've studied everything you can find but am having trouble getting started. Once it went to a folder I performed a system restore to escape.
If someone has time and interest I'd appreciate some help but understand this is not really trouble solving.
I click on ERUNT GUI 1.5 and download it to desktop. There I can either open it or extract the contents.
My problem is that it wants to go to C:\, users, us which everything seems to want to do -i don't know if it is a default folder.
When I see the tutorials it seems that Windows is the folder for ERDNT and I thought ERUNT too. For the traditional ERUNT I would need ERDNT for recovery and an ERUNT folder for back up. With the new program I don't think I need either.
Can I make a folder on desktop and extract or open to that folder?
From there I think I click on set up - correct? This grphic interface is suppose to be for non advanced users like me but it seems there is more than one way to get it done.
If you have a moment pplease fill in the blanks as I would love to have the program installed for a 7 day backup which can be done within the program...
Peter

[Shane]

I have never used the erunt gui.

I have plans of making one my self down the road when things calm down a little.

Give me a link to the gui and I will take a look 

Shane

[peterr]

I rearched so many sites that I have forgotten which I tried.
I Google ERUNT GUI 1.5 and it seems as though the "extract" or "open" wants to go to C:\users, us.
I am trying not to have everything go there unless it belongs there.
I was thinking of creating a folder[ERUNT} on my desktop and extracting to it then opening the program from there.
With the plain ERUNT I think you needed both the ERUNT folder to backup and the ERDNT folder to restore but with the new interface it seems once the program is installed you can run backup, restore, optimize from the program's box itself.
I downloaded and extracted but got mixed up so did the system restore.
I think if I knew the steps to install, I could easilt run the program from there. Even the "options" box allows you to choose # of days etc.
It was nice of you to respond and I thank you.
Peter

[Shane]

Found the download link
http://majorgeeks.com/ERUNTgui_d6624.html

It looks like the setup chooses "C:\ERUNTgui" by default. But you can click the browse button and have it install anywhere you like

Shane

[peterr]

Thank you and I will let you know how it goes.
Peter

[frank14612]

I've been using ERUNT for about 10 years (Win98, WinXP, & Win7), with many happy results, and I've always used the Browse button to tell it to save to the "C:\ERDNT" folder. That way, if I'm ever in trouble and have to use Safe Mode or the Recovery Console (in WinXP) I don't have to navigate to the "C:\Windows" folder first; it's right there in the root directory. It's always worked fine for me.

Frank D

[peterr]

Thank you for the note, Frank.
I don't know if you have used the GUI or not.
Woud you be interested in either my suggesting and you correcting me or you outlining my steps to install ERUNT?
If not I would understand. I usually learn a task then pass it on to someome others so they too can benefit but I know it can be time consuming.
I was not sure if it is better to back up automatically daily for 7 days or just back up as you want to.
I tried gui as my posts indicate but I got confused at some of the choices so used Acronis.
Woud you think ERUNT is for the averge user?
Peter

[Shane]

I think my plans to make my own reg backup tool will come this summer or sooner.

I found how I can use the volume shadow copy service to get a copy of the reg files themselves. Copy the whole things over.

And I emailed the programmer of erunt and he let me know what API's I need in order to copy the reg files back for restoring 

Shane

[frank14612]

Thank you for the note, Frank.
I don't know if you have used the GUI or not.
Woud you be interested in either my suggesting and you correcting me or you outlining my steps to install ERUNT?
If not I would understand. I usually learn a task then pass it on to someome others so they too can benefit but I know it can be time consuming.
I was not sure if it is better to back up automatically daily for 7 days or just back up as you want to.
I tried gui as my posts indicate but I got confused at some of the choices so used Acronis.
Woud you think ERUNT is for the averge user?
Peter

Peter,

I don't use the GUI, I use the original interface. The GUI glosses over the use to which the ERDNT will be put, which is that when you are in an emergency recovery/restore situation, you very likely won't have the GUI to help you out of your predicament (i.e., you'll be in a DOS-like environment).

Here's how I install and use the non-GUI version of ERUNT.

1. Download ERUNT from http://www.derfisch.de/lars/erunt.zip (assuming you're using Windows 2000, XP, Vista or 7), and unzip it to a directory on your hard drive.

NOTE: If you are using Vista or Windows 7, at this point it may be necessary to right-click on the ERUNT.exe file and choose Run as administrator.

2. Double-click to run ERUNT.exe.

3. At the Welcome dialog box, click OK.

4. In the "ERU for Windows NT" dialog box, edit the address in the Backup to: box to read "C:\ERDNT\today's_date" (with no quote marks) using the "mm-dd-2012" format. Accept the checked options. Click OK.

5. In the "Question" dialog box, click Yes. (NOTE: If you are informed that the registry database can't be accessed, you will need to run the program as Administrator as stated in the note to Step 1 above, abort the procedure, and re-run it from the note to Step 1.) The registry will be backed up.

6. In the next dialog box, click OK. You are done.


To recover from a registry problem, when and if it occurs, you will need to:

1. Go to the ERUNT folder in your C: drive.

2. Double-click on the appropriate date to which you want to restore the registry.

3. Double-click on ERDNT.exe to restore the registry.

4. Reboot the computer.

NOTE 1: If you are prevented from running the ERDNT.exe program in Windows' normal mode (that is, if it complains that it can't run the individual registry modules), you can re-boot your computer into Safe Mode and run it from there. When you reboot into normal mode, the registry restore will have been made.

NOTE 2: I have found that all the problems with User Account Control (UAC) preventing you from running the ERUNT and ERDNT programs can be circumvented by (a) taking ownership of the EXE files, (b) running them as Administrator, and/or (c) going into Compatibility mode and set the programs for running in Windows XP mode.

I hope this helps.

Frank

P.S. I am also an Acronis (True Image Home 2010) user. I use nothing of it except its Nonstop Backup to an external USB drive, which I've had to resort to -- successfully -- four times since getting it way back in 2010. The combination of (a) System Restore (b) ERUNT/ERDNT and (c) Acronis is wonderful for peace of mind.

[peterr]

I think my plans to make my own reg backup tool will come this summer or sooner.

I found how I can use the volume shadow copy service to get a copy of the reg files themselves. Copy the whole things over.

And I emailed the programmer of erunt and he let me know what API's I need in order to copy the reg files back for restoring 

Shane

>>Shane -great news. I look forward to your developement; I hope there will be a tutorial for duffers like me who need it most.
Peter

[peterr]

Thank you for the note, Frank.
I don't know if you have used the GUI or not.
Woud you be interested in either my suggesting and you correcting me or you outlining my steps to install ERUNT?
If not I would understand. I usually learn a task then pass it on to someome others so they too can benefit but I know it can be time consuming.
I was not sure if it is better to back up automatically daily for 7 days or just back up as you want to.
I tried gui as my posts indicate but I got confused at some of the choices so used Acronis.
Woud you think ERUNT is for the averge user?
Peter

Peter,

I don't use the GUI, I use the original interface. The GUI glosses over the use to which the ERDNT will be put, which is that when you are in an emergency recovery/restore situation, you very likely won't have the GUI to help you out of your predicament (i.e., you'll be in a DOS-like environment).

Here's how I install and use the non-GUI version of ERUNT.

1. Download ERUNT from http://www.derfisch.de/lars/erunt.zip (assuming you're using Windows 2000, XP, Vista or 7), and unzip it to a directory on your hard drive.

NOTE: If you are using Vista or Windows 7, at this point it may be necessary to right-click on the ERUNT.exe file and choose Run as administrator.

2. Double-click to run ERUNT.exe.

3. At the Welcome dialog box, click OK.

4. In the "ERU for Windows NT" dialog box, edit the address in the Backup to: box to read "C:\ERDNT\today's_date" (with no quote marks) using the "mm-dd-2012" format. Accept the checked options. Click OK.

5. In the "Question" dialog box, click Yes. (NOTE: If you are informed that the registry database can't be accessed, you will need to run the program as Administrator as stated in the note to Step 1 above, abort the procedure, and re-run it from the note to Step 1.) The registry will be backed up.

6. In the next dialog box, click OK. You are done.


To recover from a registry problem, when and if it occurs, you will need to:

1. Go to the ERUNT folder in your C: drive.

2. Double-click on the appropriate date to which you want to restore the registry.

3. Double-click on ERDNT.exe to restore the registry.

4. Reboot the computer.

NOTE 1: If you are prevented from running the ERDNT.exe program in Windows' normal mode (that is, if it complains that it can't run the individual registry modules), you can re-boot your computer into Safe Mode and run it from there. When you reboot into normal mode, the registry restore will have been made.

NOTE 2: I have found that all the problems with User Account Control (UAC) preventing you from running the ERUNT and ERDNT programs can be circumvented by (a) taking ownership of the EXE files, (b) running them as Administrator, and/or (c) going into Compatibility mode and set the programs for running in Windows XP mode.

I hope this helps.

Frank

P.S. I am also an Acronis (True Image Home 2010) user. I use nothing of it except its Nonstop Backup to an external USB drive, which I've had to resort to -- successfully -- four times since getting it way back in 2010. The combination of (a) System Restore (b) ERUNT/ERDNT and (c) Acronis is wonderful for peace of mind.

>>Hi Frank -it is great of you to explain how to do this. I use Acronis but make a full backup occassionally - is a non stop one easy to do and how is it better than a full? I have recovered successfully several times over the years and it is great. At times, if the registry is corrupted, I use the disc to recover. That is what happened in my last attempt to install ERUNT.
A couple of quick questions if I may; "unzip it to a directory on your hard drive". Do you mean click 'unzip' and browse to put it in a folder -does it default to any particular folder?
I have printed out your directions to follow and am concluding that recovering from the date I want in the ERDNT folder will restore my registry better than system restore and with fewer failures.
Is ERUNT in the Windows folder and the ERDNT folder elsewhere?
Lastly, can I name the event so when I want to recover I can see what happened like you can with system restore?
How do you get rid of the built up backups as I have a 1T hard drive?
I can assume you do not back up daily but only when you feel the need.

[peterr]

Frank
I am going to send a PRNTSCRN to show you that the link you gave me to download ERUNT was an open folder. I do not think you intended that -correct?
I have never made an attachment here so here goes.
I am in my 70's and quite ill so I am prone to misques now and then.
Peter
PS I did not see and ERUNT.exe folder to double click on in the link you sent
Win 7 Home premium, i5, 6 GB,msie, 9

[frank14612]

Peter,

I'll respond to your questions in the order you asked them.

Q: "<snip> is a non stop [backup] easy to do and how is it better than a full?

A: Yes, it is easier (in my judgment) and even better than a full, because:
(1) Running the Nonstop Backup does a full backup automatically (creates a complete image backup that also provides full access to all your individual files), and then continues in operation to back up all your file changes as they occur, in bursts of once every five minutes. During the initial full backup (on my machine it takes about two hours) your PC's processor(s) will be heavily used (as expected), but after that, only lightly used as changes are made to your hard drive (i.e., the drive or drives you're backing up). So, you will not need to do additional full backups or incremental/differential backups at intervals, because they are being done and updated all the time.

Now, if you're interested I can take this further, since at some point you're going to have to start over with a new full backup because eventually your backup drive will fill up and stop the backup. This is a problem that Acronis does not address at all, but I've kludged up a workaround.

Q: "unzip it to a directory on your hard drive".
A: Obviously you can't use the ERUNT program in the zipped form in which you downloaded it. You have to extract the contained files into a working folder in the "Program files" (if Win98, WinXP, or Win7 32-bit) or "Program files (x86)" (if 64-bit Vista or Win7) folder on your C: drive. You then create a shortcut to the ERUNT.exe file, either in your Start menu or on your Desktop, so it is convenient to get to and run.

Q: "does it default to any particular folder?"
A: No, you choose the folder, as described above.

Q: "I am concluding that recovering from the date I want in the ERDNT folder will restore my registry better than system restore and with fewer failures."
A: I would not go that far. There is an important distinction. The main differences between System Restore and ERUNT/ERDNT backup are that: (a) SR will return your computer to a previous date and condition -- INCLUDING programs: if they were uninstalled in the interim, you will find them reinstalled, and if they were installed in the interim you will find them uninstalled, (b) ERUNT/ERDNT will restore the registry to the selected date and nothing more. It will not affect installed/uninstalled programs in any way, except that the restored registry may contain outdated references to programs and in this way possibly make them not work correctly but will not otherwise affect them. (In my own usage, I have always found that all of my programs continued to work correctly, but YMMV.)

Q: "Is ERUNT in the Windows folder and the ERDNT folder elsewhere?"
A: Well, since the non-GUI program doesn't have an installer (it's DIY), the ERUNT winds up in the programs folder (where I advised you to put it in my previous post) and the ERDNT is predisposed to end up in the C:\Windows folder, unless you tell it differently each time you use the ERUNT program, as described in my instructions, above.

Q: "Lastly, can I name the event so when I want to recover I can see what happened like you can with system restore?"
A: Yes, you can. Just add the text you want (such as "Before installing XYZ program") after the date.

Q: "How do you get rid of the built up backups as I have a 1T hard drive?"
A: I check the ERDNT folder daily (before each evening's running of ERUNT) and delete the oldest dated file, after my count reaches 30 (1 month) just for comfort. On top of that, I allow the ERDNT files I delete to go into the Recycle Bin, allowing for an even greater safety factor. Since each ERDNT file (on my machine) is about 100 MB in size, it's almost inconsequential how many I keep, and I have only a 320GB hard drive.

Q: "I can assume you do not back up daily but only when you feel the need."
A: The need to back up is there during every Windows session. I run System Restore and ERUNT every night before turning off my machine. That way, if Windows won't reboot in the morning to a satisfactory condition (it has happened to me many times) I can safely restore to the previous day's good operating condition without that sinking feeling that accompanies the question, "Why didn't I do a System Restore or ERUNT last night?"

That's all I can think of for now.

Frank

[frank14612]

Frank
I am going to send a PRNTSCRN to show you that the link you gave me to download ERUNT was an open folder. I do not think you intended that -correct?
I have never made an attachment here so here goes.
I am in my 70's and quite ill so I am prone to misques now and then.
Peter
PS I did not see and ERUNT.exe folder to double click on in the link you sent
Win 7 Home premium, i5, 6 GB,msie, 9

Hmm, it worked for me. However, here's another link that I think should work: http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloadget.php?id=1267&file=9&evp=72a324c1d2c33a2b43a2853ad7ecc6a3

Let me know.

Frank

[frank14612]

Frank
I am going to send a PRNTSCRN to show you that the link you gave me to download ERUNT was an open folder. I do not think you intended that -correct?
I have never made an attachment here so here goes.
I am in my 70's and quite ill so I am prone to misques now and then.
Peter
PS I did not see and ERUNT.exe folder to double click on in the link you sent
Win 7 Home premium, i5, 6 GB,msie, 9

Peter,

I'm sorry, I totally misinterpreted your question ("the link you gave me to download ERUNT was an open folder. I do not think you intended that -correct?"). I thought that you couldn't download the file. However, you did so and you are seeing the exact thing that you should be seeing! What is confusing you is that you are looking at the contents of a zipped (ZIP) folder. Because Mr. Hederer has not provided an installer, it becomes your job to put the contents of that folder in the proper place in the Windows folder/file structure.

Here is the procedure I would use:

1. If the zipped ERUNT file is open and you can see the files in it (as in your screenshot), close it (it must be closed before you can work with it).

2. In your Downloads folder (or wherever the downloaded ERUNT.zip file is located) right-click on the ERUNT.zip file and choose Run as administrator from the popup list.

3. With the window now open and showing the ERUNT files, right-click anywhere in the window and choose Extract from the popup menu.

4. In the Extract dialog box that opens, type C:\Program Files\ERUNT

5. Click on the Extract button.

You now should be looking at the extracted files in the C:\Program Files\ERUNT folder. Now you can follow my instructions in my post above to create a shortcut (NOTE: If you need the procedure, please let me know) to the ERUNT.exe file on your Start Menu or on your Desktop.

Since I don't know what version of Windows you are using, I don't know if you'll run into any obstacles, so please let me know how you make out and I'll try to get you up and running.

Frank

[peterr]

Frank
Once again I have made note of all you have worked on so diligently. I know many others will benefit from your posts. Thank you for your cooperation.

http://www.myantispyware.com/2010/02/27/how-to-backup-windows-registry-using-erunt/

I was looking at this link above and wondered if you thought it would be suficient or it is  lacking??

Well, I have pasted your notes into my folder and now must study them before pulling the tigger again.
I cannot thank you enough for all you have done with both ERUNT and Acronis.
Off to study.
Regards,
Peter

[frank14612]

Frank
Once again I have made note of all you have worked on so diligently. I know many others will benefit from your posts. Thank you for your cooperation.

http://www.myantispyware.com/2010/02/27/how-to-backup-windows-registry-using-erunt/

I was looking at this link above and wondered if you thought it would be suficient or it is  lacking??

Well, I have pasted your notes into my folder and now must study them before pulling the tigger again.
I cannot thank you enough for all you have done with both ERUNT and Acronis.
Off to study.
Regards,
Peter

Peter,

You're welcome, and thank you for your kind words. 

As for the webpage you mention: http://www.myantispyware.com/2010/02/27/how-to-backup-windows-registry-using-erunt/ -- Yes! It's good as it stands. You can disregard my instructions regarding ERUNT by following that procedure.

Again, you're welcome and if you have any questions regarding ERUNT or Acronis I will be happy to try to answer them.

Frank

[Shane]

My new registry backup and restore tool is almost done. Just working on adding settings for the user.

Either one of you want to be beta testers?

Shane

[peterr]

Re: help and Support, I have made note of the new link in favorites in both pcs in msie9 and FF12. Thank you for that.
Do you think this link would successfully back up an restore the win7 x64 rgistry. I see backups but no recoveries which is unnerving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h26tfWJSvPg

I am only an average user and could not figure my way around a program that is not straight forward - with that in mind, would you recommend your program to average users or those ore skilled?

I dearly want a program that you are speaking of in my recovery arsenal. I have been all over the web and in forums.
If you are successful, you will be as famour as Lars as many people want an erunt type program for os's past XP.
I am definitely going to stay tuned to your forum and if other average folks can use it to restore the win7 x64 registry, I will jump in. I'll need to be pablum fed i.e., abcd etc

[Shane]

I am making it very user friendly

Shane

[peterr]

It is on my calendar to see if I can do it and thank you - let's hope it takes off.
I'm like Johnny Apleseed with this type of information.
I am sending a note to Tim Tibbet's friend David Parry in England as he and I are always in touch and he is one of the mods on MG's.

[Shane]

Here is how it looks so far

Shane

[peterr]

Looks sleek and straight forward.
I already wrote to David Parry and am waiting for a reply. He works with the Royal London Hospital among others to develope pc programs for opthamology so is very busy.
I hope to hear from him soon. I want him to be my guinea pig 'cause he is like my advisor.
I copied your pik and am going to send it to him and some others I know.

[Shane]

Cool

The program uses the volume shadow copy service to get the file. It is how Microsoft recommends it.

Backup and restore is done. Just working on the settings section now

Shane

[peterr]

Hi Frank
I am running Win 7 x64 and I think you can see the video I posted at this site. That is my referral.
I think it is exciting that Shane is creating his own version of ERUNT that will pick up where xp left off.
Peter